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Equal Warehouse Storage Rights To All Races

#1 Post by j89 »

getting equal storage
in the game knights seem to have more storage space than other races this is not right storage should should be equal at first sight people will choose the knights over any other race isn't this not fair. so if you please consider my suggestion do something about it it's a grate pleasure and as a last note everyone needs warehouse space not just the knights :)
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#2 Post by Atlantis1 »

If you take the warehouses from knights they have no benefit at all, the extra gold from trading post is of negligible value and the extra space for carriers is useless once you get past level 1 or 2, most people actually seem to choose elves or demons anyway which suggest that most think those are the best and if I was to restart I'd far rather have the extra healing from elves than the extra storage from warehouses.

Of the top 25 players with the biggest armies only 5 are knights, 9 are elves, 7 are demons and 4 are dark elf which suggest that the top players think elves are best, demons 2nd, knights 3rd and dark elves 4th which is actually the order I would put them in.

Having players having different specialties is useful for helping with variation, I think the best way of having people specialise would be to have different researches with a limit on how many can be researched so you can't have them all or have some of the researches mutually exclusive so if you pick X you can't choose Y and Z etc.
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#3 Post by j89 »

not only warehouse capacity but the greatest capacity of the Carriers' backpacks, highest Gold production efficiency, high rate of Crops production. yes dark elves have wood and iron but even if you can produce large amounts of any recourse what use do you have if you can't store them for later use
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#4 Post by Ephialtis »

For what it's worth, Knights are slightly overrepresented in the top twenty players, and more significantly overrepresented in the top ten.
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#5 Post by j89 »

knight race has double the warehouse capacity of any race isn't that slightly unfair. The administration should have a vote and see who agrees with this point with the game management and the players as well
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#6 Post by Atlantis1 »

The main rating isn't a particularly useful indicator of strength, in pretty much all games of this type is is troop counts that matters. I'd be far more worried about the number of troops that somebody has rather which is a measure of strength rather than the number of high level buildings they have which is more of an indicator of how long they've been playing which makes the army strength the best indicator of the best players which is why I chose it. It would actually be possible for some people to be in the top 10 for the main rating with zero troops.

If you do think main rating is vitally important then 19 of the top 50(38%) players by main rating are elf compared, 30 of the top 75 (40%) are and 39 of the top 100 (39%) are which suggest that most people think elf is the strongest race which would concur with the the ranking elves have in the army strength tables, I'm a knight now, if I had the option to convert to elf without having to completely restart I wouldn't even to to think about it, I'd convert instantly, hell I'd have no problem paying 1000 bgs to do so. And that's even despite the fact I would lose the 25% defence bonus instantly on most of my existing cities which are on holyland and which I'd gradually move over around 6 months or so to magical forest territory and would therefore lose a lot of resources that I've already put into the existing ones.
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#7 Post by Ephialtis »

I don't have a fixed view on this -- but I take Army ratings as being slightly less reliable merely because it's possible for them to fluctuate widely (one major loss, or even a costly victory, and on'e rating can plummet). Also, I looked only at the top few, because the top 50 contains many players who have stopped playing for one reason or another. I think that we're agreeing in general about Knights, though.

Something no-one's mentioned with regard to storage is that, unless you build a ridiculous number of warehouses, you're going to be in the red for resources most of the time, once you're supporting a large army, and are constantly plundering ruins. You're also likely to have far more carriers than you need for carrying the resources, so how much they carry as individuals is less important.
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#8 Post by Arbash »

The warehouse difference is not that crucial. Especially with all the features to increase warehouses` capacity. This advantage has been knights` right and it should stay like this. What if someone asks to cancel the elves skill to heal more units? Those are features and they make each race special.
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#9 Post by j89 »

each race has a special production ability (Ex- Demons- stones , Elves- Wood ) and a special unit (Ex- Demons - Demonesse , Elves - healers ) but knights have a another special ability that is Warehouse capacity this is an added advantage to a race.

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The Dark elves and knights have two special production abilities.
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#10 Post by Atlantis1 »

Are you seriously saying that knight carriers extra capacity is anywhere near as beneficial as the elves extra resurrection ability and therefore they don't need the warehouse capacity as well?

The carrier capacity is irrelevant after around level 2 since all races generally have enough then to bring everything home so why would anyone choose knights, elves are already the most popular, I'm regretting picking knight and I'd switch instantly to elvesnow if I could and give up the extra warehouse capacity, I'd still switch now despite the fact I'd also be giving up the 25% defence bonus on my existing cities.

The resurrection ability of elves is far more useful than warehouse capacity, you should be raiding more resources from ruins then you can use so the losses don't really matter. If you can spend 1 million a week and you are bringing in 2 million it doesn't matter that you lose most of that extra million since you couldn't use it anyway. The game isn't about who has the most resources in there cities at any particular point, if it was then the extra warehouse capacity of knights would actually matter.

You could also consider buying resources from the market to temporarily convert gold to something more compact if you are out of room. Food is pretty good for this since it is the least creatable so sells back pretty easily.
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#11 Post by j89 »

as i pointed out in my last post. each race has a special army unit i'm not complaining about that. that should be in the game being able to have more abilities is a dis advantage demons have a not so useful unit too i'm saying having space is more beneficial to all races.
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#12 Post by Atlantis1 »

The different races have different features, if they were ideally balanced then each race should get around 25% of the top people who know the game playing them.

Of the top 100 players with the biggest armies 40% of them are elves, 31% of them are knights, 17% are demons and 12% are dark elves which would suggest that elves are the best race to choose, knights come in second with demons in third and dark elves trailing in last place. You are suggesting giving the main benefit of the 2nd best race to every other race with nothing given to the knights to compensate. Elves are already the best race to have, if you did this then pretty much everyone that knows what they are doing would pick elves, most experienced players do already and if I could start a new game then I would as well.

In effect your proposal is basically turning the game into something where everyone picks the race elves except for those that haven't played before who will be even more disadvantaged than they already are. If anything it is elves that need to be nerfed, they can't really take the extra healing from them otherwise they become useless just as knights would without their warehouse so maybe dropping the elves mercenary attack by 2 points might help reduce there superiority and make choosing between them and knights closer. Dark elves and demons would seem to need some extra bonus to compete with knights and elves so possibly adding a point of attack to all their units with archers getting an extra 5 might bring them up to the point where choosing between the races becomes approximately equal.

I can't see them making any changes to help game balance however, pretty much everything about the game seems to be set up to help the strongest players who have played previously be even stronger, pretty much every proposal I've ever seen to make the game more balanced seems to get shot down by the admins almost as if the game was deliberately written to transfer money from new players to the ones with previous experience of the russian server. In most games of this type if you have ten times the army of someone you are about ten times stronger, here you could be attacked by a hundreds, thousands or even millions of players that have one tenth of your army and you could kill everything without losing a single troop. In most other games you could be taken out by about 15 to 20 players of one tenth of your size assuming no external help. The most unbalanced game I've seen of this type other than this one is Evony version 2 and I'd say it is probably only about 40% as bad as mylands is.
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#13 Post by j89 »

i'm not saying get it up to the level of knights it's 100% more of the warehouse capacity. if it would be near to 50%-75% that would be fair and don't get confused with army units with buildings. you can not justify an army with a building. this game is built to favor the light fraction they should change that..
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#14 Post by Atlantis1 »

The benefits of the races come as a group, the extra warehouse space is the only useful thing knights have, without nobody who as played before will ever pick them, they'd become even worse than dark elves currently are.

As an analogy If I offer you a cup of coffee, £100 cash and £1000 of shares and offer your friend a cup of tea and £2000 worth of shares your friend shouldn't really be complaining that you got £100 cash so he should as well because it's not fair that you got a drink, cash and shares whereas he only got a drink and shares. If anything it should be you complaining that he got a package worth £2002 and yours is only worth £1102 and is the argument I make when I say elves should get some sort of penalty to stop them being overpowered compared to the other races and demons and dark elves should get some sort of benefit to bring the package of benefits each race has closer together. I did give some suggestion on what I thought would bring each race to about equal although there are certainly other things they could do instead of playing with the attack values as I did.

The only way to stop anybody complaining that one race has a benefit over the others is to have them all be exactly the same in which case there is no point in having them in the first place. The most reliable indicator of how each race performs in reality is to look at which races the experienced players choose and it is pretty clear that elves are the choice of experienced players, with knights a little over what you would expect, demons a little under what would be expected and dark elves falling well behind.
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